The Five Dimensions: A Creation Science Cosmology Theory

Naturalistic cosmology has had decades of theoretical work and millions in public funding to produce a number of fairy tales, that purport to explain the cosmos. In some ways, creation scientists have only recently begun to put forth their own theories to explain observations of the universe within the context of Biblical explanations.

Recent theoretical work on this issue by creation scientists has focused on 5D symmetical expanding universe in order to explain observations of the universe.

Carmelian Cosmological General Relativity theory is considered in five dimensions. For it to be consistent with both Cosmological Relativity on the largest scales and Special Relativity on the smallest scales, the acceleration of the expansion of the cosmos must have been extremely large at Creation and must be zero at the present epoch. Hence the forced stretching of the fabric of space only occurred during the Creation Week and then ceased. This implies that during the creation of the heavenly bodies, massive time dilation occurred on Earth at the centre of the expansion. It is a necessary conclusion from the 5D theory describing a spherically symmetric expanding universe that light from the most distant sources reaches Earth within the biblical time scale as measured by local atomic time, but takes billions of years as measured in cosmic time. (1)

The article is very technical at points. It takes to account and provides explanations for a number of “anomalies” in current naturalistic cosmological theory. As with all theories, further research into the issue will be needed for testing it.

The article concludes (in part) with:

Observations are consistent our galaxy being situated at the centre of a 5D spherically symmetric universe of finite extent that has expanded many-fold. In terms of cosmological clocks it is as if the universe appears like a still photograph. This is the result of the vast distances and slow intrinsic motions on the cosmological scale. Nevertheless, the validity of the new theory applying to both the current and past epochs leads to the inescapable conclusion that the time it has taken light to travel from the most distant sources to Earth is billions of years of cosmic time, yet a matter of only days or years in local atomic time units.

(1). A 5D spherically symmetric expanding universe, Creation on the Web, John Hartnett

A recent book that may be of interest by John Hartnett


14 Responses

  1. I love it! This is fantastic!

  2. Hmmmm. Now I am the one who is suspicious. 😉

  3. Ain’t projective geometry FUN! You can show almost anything with it. The last serious attempt to “prove” that the earth is flat (a couple of decades ago) used a hyperbolic transform of latitude and longitude that could account for planetary orbits, satellites, and everything else.

    The problem with such tools is exactly as Hartnett describes in his 3/20/08 paper:[1] “Only philosophically can this solution be rejected, the data cannot distinguish one from the other.” Hartnett uses his math to arrive at a preconceived conclusion that cosmological data can be made to comport with a YEC time scale: “The physical meaning is that this solution represents an expanding white hole centred on the Galaxy. The galaxies in the universe are spherically symmetrically distributed around the Galaxy. The observed redshifts are the result of cosmological expansion and the gravitational potential hill centred on the Galaxy that the photons from distant sources must climb to reach the observer.”

    The extra (timelike) dimension that he inserts incorporates a conversion constant tau, based on the Hubble parameter, instead of Einstein’s constant c, the speed of light. First, we must ask what is the basis for using tau? The only justification is that it leads to his desired conclusion. On the other hand, the use of the constant c in Einstein’s theory is based upon an external consideration—it resolves a contradiction in Maxwell’s equations for electromagnetism. Einstein’s formulation is important because it restores Newtonian relativity, which has been observed to hold every time it has been tested. Hartnett’s formulation, on the other hand, requires the abolition of Netowtonian, Machian, and Einsteinian relativity, in that the Earth is the unequivocal center of the entire universe. Well huh.

    I’ve only skimmed these papers, but have not seen anything that would make Carmeli or Hartnett consistent with the other aspects of mainstream cosmology, such as explaining relative abundance of atomic species.[2] The problem with creationist theories in general is that they cherry-pick certain aspects. But a valid theory must explain all the data, from every source. As I’ve stated before, mathematics is a great tool in the physical sciences. But it is only a tool. You can make the math show anything you like. Then you have to back it up with evidence that is consistent with your theory and inconsistent with the theory you wish to replace.

    It’s only $11.24 at Amazon; I might add Hartnett’s book to my collection of pseudoscience. It would go right next to “The Final Theory,” which proves that gravitation does not exist at all; its effects are caused by the continual expansion of matter.[3]

    [1] Hartnett, “The accelerating universe data of the high-redshift type Ia supernovae is consistent
    with a finite bounded expanding white hole universe without dark matter,” arXiv at

    [2] Hartnett claims that his theiory is simpler in that it does not require “artificial” introduction of repulsive gravity. But Einstein’s theory doesn’t either. Negative gravitation falls out of General Relativity naturally under certain conditions of pressure. (And quantum theories of gravitation even provide physical models for it.) And hartnett still seems to need some “dark energy,” just not as much of it.

    [3] The author deleted my Amazon review of that book when I exposed several physical impossibilities in his theory.

  4. Good show Olorin. Your skepticism is never-changing, and your arguments never change either. I don’t pretend that I can convince you of anything. I like you in many ways, but I’ll not waste further time trying to convince you of the truth.

  5. Shrink: “I like you in many ways, but I’ll not waste further time trying to convince you of the truth.”

    Likewise, I’m sure.

  6. Hartnett uses his math to arrive at a preconceived conclusion that cosmological data can be made to comport with a YEC time scale…


    It’s transparently obvious that philosophic naturalists use math to arrive at the preconceived conclusion that cosmological data comports with naturalism. Why do the supposed epistemic “standards” shift every time that creationism comes up? Suddenly “scientific” standards and definitions are specified like they never were before and everyone is supposedly supposed to be another Newton or Einstein and so on but when creationists aren’t around then simply imagining things about the past is “scientific.” I see no reason that creationists should not imagine things in their own way. And are we to play pretend as if people are not in the habit of trying to support preconceived conclusions scientifically? It is, after all, a practice that is widespread in science and it is only in hindsight that it either seems wrong and ridiculous or a stroke of genius.

  7. It has seemed to me for a long time that we could simplify the search for knowledge of the origin of our reality, and the meaning and purpose for it, by noticing that the cosmos is more complicated than we are since we are only a small part of it, and therefore the cosmos is able to think and communicate better then we can, we could just simply speak to the cosmos as one would speak to someone who is far superior to us. Trying to scientifically study and harness the cosmos seems to me to be a mistake on our part. We can not make the cosmos into our slave or our property. That kind of approach seems to be more of an assault against the cosmos and a form of disrespect similar to the act of a disobedient adolescent who steals the key to his parent’s car and goes on a joy ride without permission. We have been kept on a short leash that permits us to go only so far in our defiant efforts to have our own way, and our pretending not to understand that we are not to be so irresponsible (in a way similar to that of a child who pretends not to understand instructions) will only get us some “Time Out” if we don’t show some respect for authority.

    My Philosophical Orientation is Christian, and I believe that is necessary for us to examine more than just the Physics of our reality.

    I believe that we should also examine Emotions as well.

    If we have the emotions of Empathy Sympathy Grief, and the sadness of being betrayed and abandoned, it is certain that a Superior Intellect would also have those emotions because a Creator would not create a being that is more Ethical that He is.

    Examining our reality seems to reveal to us that there is a lot of complexity and perfect engineering that also seems to have no meaning or purpose and produces nothing, so it seems to me that we have been put into this situation so that we can try to make sense out of all of it. The puzzle has a missing piece, so we will never solve that riddle by ourselves. We need Him to give us the missing piece of the puzzle. In the long run it is to teach us to be humble and contrite and stop being so full of ourselves and so defiant. We are still just as helpless and dependent as we were before we were born. We still don’t know how we got here nor why we are here, but we do know that He gave us the ability to suffer the pain and anguish of feeling abandoned and betrayed, and if we would not likely do such a mean thing to a pet puppy, so it seems to me that He would not do that to us unless it is to teach us something that we really need to know. We will have our peace of mind when we finally learn that lesson.

  8. Science needs to try to answer the question of not only “What It Is” but also “Why It Is”.

    Our existence seems to produce nothing of cosmic value, and our industry only produces ways to make our lives as long and as comfortable as possible, and often our efforts only make us worse off than before.

    We are groping in the dark and doing a lot of guessing.

  9. The mystery of all of it is the cause of much anxiety, and we would not be caused so much anxiety unless it is to teach us and motivate us to think for otherwise such torment would be senseless cruelty, so it seems that the study of emotions is necessary for us to better understand the physical cosmos.

    It seems that Modern Physics has brought in some of the ideas of those who study the possibility of Ghosts along with the ideas of Science Fiction, so we may also need to bring in the study of Psychology as well.


    I have never been a person who could be comfortable accepting something by blind faith. Critical Thinking has always been my habit. It is not by “Blind” Faith and hypnotic dogmatic chanting that I bring myself to have such Absolute Certainty, for it would be too easy for any loud noise to awaken me from that hypnotic state and return me to visible reality. It is by Rational Detective Thinking that I come to those conclusions. God puts us through this experience of Life In Our Known Cosmos in order to teach us something that can only be learned by a relatively short life of seemingly meaningless complexity with incomplete information and a barrier that prevents us from sensing that which is on “The Other Side”.

    Our Adversaries, outside of The Faith, are suffering with Fear Anxiety and Despair over the questions raised by all of the seemingly meaningless complexity and the ability to feel the agonizing pain of abandonment and betrayal by a Trusted Creator who to them appears to have Gone AWOL and is Missing In Action. They don’t seem to realize that it is the very existence of those emotions, and the apparent irrationality of our visible experience, that gives us The Best News Of All. What we don’t see must be more encouraging than what we do see because the opposite would be Absurd.

    A look at the surface seems to show us that life has no meaning.

    We try not to focus on how futile it all is, and how life is a series of one catastrophe after another until that final catastrophe that is the end of our own lives after getting older and more ugly and helpless until the curtain closes forever.

    We don’t want to think about how our world and our universe will one day come to an end. We dont want to concentrate on how the whole human race produces absolutely nothing of real cosmic value other than merely making our own lives as long and as comfortable as possible until the day that everything ends in the swath of “The Grim Reaper”.

    All of the “productive” work that is done by humans only contaminates the environment with trash garbage and pollution.

    There is so much Complexity Without A Purpose, and a search for purpose leads us in Circles in The Wilderness Of Our Existence.


  10. When information is hidden from us we are more motivated than ever to seek that information. If the information was presented to us liberally we probably would be disinterested and pay no attention, but when it is kept beyond our view our curiosity is stimulated, and then we learn much faster that way.

    Information that could cause us to get injured is often kept away from us for our own protection.

    One may say that we are being deceived and lied to, but it seems to be for our own good.

  11. It is possible for Humans to use information to build a “Heaven On Earth” like some kind of “Utopia” as a modern “Tower Of Babel” that may turn out to be more of a “Dystopia” and “Hell On Earth” similar to the fictional accounts of H.G. Wells and Orwell and Bradbury and Huxley and in the Dystopian Movies of “Soilant Green” and “Make Room Make Room”. Our Science Fiction Literature is filled with such stories of woe.

    Our culture is addicted to destructive technology, and just like the addict we are in denial and saying “we have it all under control”.

  12. How can Science explain Cognition and Epistemology anyway? How could it be possible for a piece of meat the size of two fists to perform such functions as those performed by the mind? You are aware of your existence and your presence in your environment, so how can Biology explain that?

    It seemed to be a big mystery to me until recently when I first heard of Modern Cosmology with Quantum Mechanics and String Theory and Membrane Theory.

    I had studied Communication Electronics in about 1975, and I have begun to suspect that our universe with us as part of it must be like the signal from a television transmitter. A television signal has the AM Composite Video Signal with a carrier wave and the superimposed video information with it. The Video information is made when light in the studio is converted to electrical signals that then are turned to electromagnetic energy and transmitted from the tower. The FM Audio Signal is transmitted at the same time.

    One signal can induce a secondary signal when it goes past a conductor. Perhaps that is how parallel universes are formed slightly out of sync with the original signal.

    In that level of Cosmology it is not likely that we are discussing electromagnetic energy nor are we discussing the usual type of electrical conductor. It could be “ectoplasm” for all I know.

    I have heard discussions of Hydrogen Atoms in Water being able to instantly communicate with each other across millions of miles of space even before the light from the event arrived, as if to carry the information infinitely faster then the speed of light, and in those accounts I have heard that thinking pleasant thoughts while holding a container of water makes the water more beneficial for a person’s health and well being, but I have to also mention that I don’t know if those stories are true or just made up on some “Ghost To Ghost” Radio Broadcast late one night where they alternate between UFO stories and Poltergeist. I normally listen to politics, so those ghost stories and flying saucers get boring after a while.

    At this point we are in the realm of ghosts and spirits anyway, and in my Christian Tradition I have been taught to be careful about who, in that realm, I associate with.

  13. If one universe comes in contact with another universe it may cause a Superheterodyne Effect that creates a totally different universe. Perhaps that is how Our Lord may one day transform our imperfect universe into a perfect one.

  14. […] (1). Our world may be a giant hologram, New Scientist (2). The Five Dimensions: A Creation Science Cosmology Theory […]

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